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Irina Dumitrescu's avatar

By the way -- this Youtube video also has some good tips, some of which overlap with mine, some of which don't. He is slightly more positive about what using Duolingo can achieve. So much depends on how much effort someone is willing to put in with supplementary work, I think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXHtwQP9DnQ

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George  Cochrane's avatar

Great post! Thank you! After the start of the full scale war with Russia, I began Ukrainian on Duo as I wanted to at least have a clue when watching videos from the various fronts. After more than a year I could hear differences and similarities with Russian, which told me I was getting somewhere. I have few opportunities to speak beyond a few in-store conversations, snippets really, with the Ukrainians in my Brooklyn neighborhood. I fully recognize the superficially of my knowledge, but the pure language-joy is profound. Then, ultimately, I married a German woman and I made the switch. In the month before we went to Germany to meet the family I POUNDED Duo for hours a day (and in the process won the Diamond league). This was the test. How would I do in Germany? How much could I follow a conversation at home, in a shop or restaurant? Say a few things?

The answer was that could beyond everyone’s expectations. It was AWESOME! And priceless: being able to follow dinner conversations with little translation felt amazing. To be honest, before Duo I figured my language-learning days were long over: never again would I spend a junior year in Italy and Spain. Knowing I couldn’t get that kind of learning meant I just took it off my endless aspirational lists. Obviously German would gain a foothold in my life now, but how much? Duo showed me it was possible to begin at 53. Yes, German is “easy” because of all it shares with English (compared with Ukrainian, for example) and I do have a history of learning languages, but I never imagined the progress I’ve made was possible.

To some of your insights: it’s not enough and parts do suck. Within a few weeks of German, I needed the classic dictionary and grammar textbook approach too: verb form lists, conjugation tables, actual understanding of cases, etc. The gaming approach works great to hold eyeballs, but limits are soon reached. Gaming the game offers the illusion of success (with help from capitalization of first word, correct words to choose from, “cheating” by seeing the word), but offers no guarantee of real learning. But even in those periods where I was using a “cheat” to gain quick points (“Speak” mode is awesome for this), I justified my learning mode saying, at least my mouth is making German words for two hours a day, with only Duo to disapprove of my pronunciation. Repetition, so essential to language learning, is the hardest thing for me to “schedule” into my over-scheduled life. But Duo has cracked that: NO WAY I’m losing my 650+ day streak!

I totally agree about filling your world with as much of the language as possible: we watch German TV news, a fun “Antiques Roadshow” type show “Rares für Rares,” and listen to Harry Potter in German. I also get to add a life goal every day: reading Kafka in the original. Some days it’s a paragraph in a short story or novel, other days it’s an aphorism. I take notes and expand a specific, singular vocabulary. I liken it to learning Italian by reading Dante - there will be tons of lacunae, but at least you know what you need to enter those realms.

My experience is echoed in your thoughtful analysis: it’s great, but with superable shortcomings.

Oh, full disclosure/fun fact: after both being Duo users for more than a year each, my wife now works for the Green Owl! She will be very interested to read your insights!

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